Velo Lucuma vs Hija de la Coneja

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AKing
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Velo Lucuma vs Hija de la Coneja

I am shopping for a new frame and forks for polo. Want to stick with 26" wheels for now, was wondering whether anyone had any advice for choosing between 2 Marino-made framesets...
The Velo-Lucuma:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/26-x-2-1-Size-56-BIKE-POLO-FRAME-FORK-HARDCOURT-...

or...

The Hija de la Coneja:
https://www.facebook.com/hijadelaconeja

both cost about the same: £260 delivered

andytk
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If you're going Marino (and have the time) why not design it yourself?

snottyotter
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I'd go Hija, but only because Alejandro is nice. Without seeing geo for both it's hard to tell as they're made by the same guy.

Voidcore
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id go for The Hija de la Coneja lots of people have them and like them

tumthelove
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From fb Preparing the next batch. Not taking orders yet though....

Voidcore
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plus it will be lighter, the tripple triangle and bent tube add weight and dont really do anything, if I was to get another polo bike id get a Hija de la coneja

snottyotter
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They look cool though.

Rincewind
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http://www.bikemielec.com/en/.
I'm still to order, £145 a frame inc shipping. 3-4 week turn around, custom geo, painting. Should be cheaper if you dont want the curved seat tube and tons of gussets and such.

Their other frames look really good, and they seem to understand exactly what is needed, still a bit unproven as compared to the marinos though.

Voidcore
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they look good, do they only do aluminium? id prefer steel given the choice

snottyotter
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Just the alu, I'm getting a hipster frame but reckon I'd like some nice steel for poloing. Although The tubes are probably pretty thick so shouldn't be too delicate.

AKing
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Thing is I'm not really confident coming up with a custom geometry, its more likely to go wrong than to help me in any way. Scott, what were your plans for the geometry?

salman
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Get an Oak. It's 2½x the price, but at least 4x better.

snottyotter
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And 8x as cool.

Rincewind
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very similar to the marinos. 73 head tube and seat tube, bit bigger and lower BB. made for 2" kojaks, 170-175mm cranks with spds and my sz12 feet to just about have tyre clearence.

you cant go far wrong really, just use what everyone else has and adjust the head angle, size and bb height to suit you, and mainly your fork.

If you want to wait a month or so before ordering we'll see how mine turn out.

the marinos and such are fine though. the others are really nice, but doubt you'd want to spend that much.

Rincewind
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what do you think? I'm going to use Echo Urban forks.

AKing
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so are you gonna for a 74 deg headtube angle or 73? I probably won't need as much toe clearance as you. I have no idea about what forks to use. I don't even know how to work out the rake of a pair of forks.
I can't get any info on how long until Alejandro has some more frames built. He's quite evasive on the matter it seems.

andytk
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I think it was Colin who made a really helpful post about forks, rake, trail and all that somewhere in the LFGSS polo forum but I can't find it.

snottyotter
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^^I think there's works on the Bakerloo line.

retrodirect
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Front-centre on that is really long. I can run 570mm F-c with 1.5" 26" wheels and 175mm cranks flat pedals and no overlap. Shorter than that by 5-10mm if using spuds.

Also, the less weight on your front wheel (the shorter the rear end) the lighter the steering will feel (and the more trail you can get away with)

I'm also getting a Mielec. This Marino handles like a shrinkwrapped narwhal.

Rincewind
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I thought the front end was long, but I worked out my crank total length thing as about 280mm, thats including my shoes and crank. As you can see it on the design, it gives me 2.6mm or so clearence, I realise that as the wheel twists It moves away a bit, but better safe than sorry I thought.

AKing
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"I'm also getting a Mielec. This Marino handles like a shrinkwrapped narwhal."
Is that a good or bad thing? And when you say 'This Marino', which is it?

snottyotter
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I'd fucking love a narwhal, shrinkwrapped or not, I'm going good.

Rincewind
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it is a custom one, It probably wasn't too bad before marino sloppily stuck it together. bad alignment, angles off....

The ones mentioned built for garyhandjob and such are better though, I believe.

oooze
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Em just pointed me in the direction of this thread.

I'm currently building my own frame out of some scrappy old bits but mainly as an experiment as to what's going to work. I'm not sure how short I want the bike to be so I've built it around what I'm currently using.
Here's the geo - https://www.lfgss.com/attachments/59379d1349475325-line.png
I'm not too bothered about toe overlap as it's something I'm used to. The wheelbase does seem tiny at 890mm

I'm thinking of getting a frame built by Mielec but that will have to wait until I know how the current build needs to be changed.before I send off any emails to them. I'm not tempted by a Marino because of the quality involved. With a bit more practice I could weld as good as him but have the time to make sure the geo is still correct before welding.

One thing I noticed about the geo you posted Scott is how long that frame is. Your saddle height is about the same height as mine but I don't remember you being that much taller than me.

AKing
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Well I got drunk and bought a pompetamine frame and forks... and a set of 36H sputniks on Deore M525 hubs from some guys called Rich in Brizzle.... WHOOOOPS! Does anyone have a 27.2 seatpost clamp (not QR) I can buy?

snottyotter
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Possibly have one you can haz for a beer.

Drew
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And that's why you're Mad Andy.

(Maybe, I don't actually know. But this could set the precedent)

AKing
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Maybe because it shortens to Mandy?
Slightly concerned i'm gonna miss that extra degree of head angle (pomp's are 73 not 74), but hey-ho

snottyotter
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Some people ride them 26" front and like it, if you get a disc fork that could work. Doubt it'll be a problem though, people have been poloing on them for ages and doing well, just don't hop too much.

AKing
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Cant hop anyway! A 26" front might be fun... I'll have that option for sure.

Emyr
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AKing wrote:

Does anyone have a 29.8mm seatpost clamp (not QR) I can buy?

Ftfy. Not every frame which takes a 27.2mm post needs the same clamp.

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